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Can We Get "The Canon Argument" Out of the Way Now... [TDE] - 2693 replies | 180 pages

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Master Jedi Joe14
Total Posts: 9396
Member Since: 03/04

Date Posted: Oct 22, 2005 03:43 PM

im constatnly having a debate with myself over what is canon and what isnt. so this is what i think........ i think that everything is 99% canon unless they directly conflict with the movies itself, and as for comics and books they contradict between each other, i say pick which one you want and think of the other one as alternat(unless the movie references it)- so for example im currently reading shatterpoint, and i say that the events in that book actually happend in the star wars universe unless i come across something that conflicts with tthe movie

*Master*Yoda*
Total Posts: 3357
Member Since: 01/04

Date Posted: Oct 24, 2005 01:06 PM

and as for comics and books they contradict between each other, i say pick which one you want and think of the other one as alternat(unless the movie references it)

This is what happened with CW vol.2 and LOE. They definitely contradict each other. LOE was more realistic, and there were more references to it in ROTS than CW, so I think LOE is canon and CW is infinities.

demolition18
Total Posts: 370
Member Since: 10/04

Date Posted: Nov 16, 2005 06:44 PM

This message was edited by demolition18 on Nov 16, 2005 06:46 PM

Those contridactions between the movies and the EU ruins the thing of Star Wars. I want the real events in between the darn movies.

This is to see Aurra Sing in action. Maybe Senator Amidala vs. Aurra Sing. Also other bounty hunters in action. George Lucas should put thoughts into character fates and that we want to see in between the movies like what happens in between the movies. I was thinking that Leia and Han get married and their daughter kills Aurra Sing.

We should tell George Lucas to have the events in between the movies. The truth is that the EU is secondary canon.

What's really non canon is the Infinities. How many people here want to see the events in between the movies?

Dark_Load
Total Posts: 2580
Member Since: 10/05

Date Posted: Nov 17, 2005 02:44 AM

Can We Get "The Canon Argument" Out of the Way Now...

No...I don't think we can accept that, it doesn't make sense.

E.T.F., Golden Boy
Total Posts: 15242
Member Since: 09/01

Date Posted: Nov 17, 2005 10:36 AM

How many people here want to see the events in between the movies?

Here's how you do that:

1) Close your eyes
2) Imagine...

Neg (final build)
Total Posts: 5804
Member Since: 05/04

Date Posted: Nov 17, 2005 12:55 PM

^?! So we dont actually need ANY Star Wars? We can just make it all up. George Lucas, you should have become a plumber because we can make it all up for ourselves.

demolition18
Total Posts: 370
Member Since: 10/04

Date Posted: Nov 18, 2005 04:50 AM

I have read fan fiction that goes in between the movies that aren't Expanded Universe related.

The Infinities or Star Wars Tales is what should be the alternate universe. My fan fiction on the movies is also EU related. I think that George Lucas is picky when it comes to Star Wars and doesn't put thoughts that the fans want the darn events in between the movies and find out character fates.

Bossk retires one day as does Denger. I think that the contradictions is due to what George Lucas disagrees with the EU authors on and George Lucas authorized the expanded universe.

Some of what the EU authors wrote George Lucas explained to like in the Labyrinth of Evil when the jedi start hunting down Darth Sidious.

E.T.F., Golden Boy
Total Posts: 15242
Member Since: 09/01

Date Posted: Nov 18, 2005 02:13 PM

So we dont actually need ANY Star Wars?
When did I ever say that? While I know the story isn't told perfectly or completely, part of it's genius is that it isn't designed to. We join it in progress and watch details of events for awhile, then drift off and come back to see more details. In the mean time, Lucas lets our imaginations run wild.

We can just make it all up.
Isn't that exactly what pretty much all the EU is? Some is very good, some is pretty bad.

George Lucas, you should have become a plumber because we can make it all up for ourselves.
I really don't want to see his crack...

korun_master
Total Posts: 44
Member Since: 11/05

Date Posted: Nov 18, 2005 04:15 PM

I got hooked on the Star Wars expanded Universe after reading Mattew Stover's Revenge of the Sith novel and hearing the EU references in there. I am currently reading Heir to the Empire and I have to say that it is a pretty good novel. If it's not contradicted by a movie then it's cannon right?

demolition18
Total Posts: 370
Member Since: 10/04

Date Posted: Nov 22, 2005 06:54 PM

I think that contradictions happen because George Lucas either disagrees or he's picky or maybe even both.

I just read the book called Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader and Darth Vader in his mask and armor with his red blade light saber battles a few jedi and he battles rebels. Those earlier rebels fire on Darth Vader with their guns and he deflects blaster fire with his hands.

This new book picks up from Episode 3 so it should count as canon.

All EU material that takes place in between the movies or before and after the movies or during the movies (taking place somewhere else during the movies) is either continuity canon or secondary canon.

I think that Visionaries is non canon. Star Wars Tales might as well be non canon. Infinities are for sure non canon.

E.T.F., Golden Boy
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Member Since: 09/01

Date Posted: Nov 23, 2005 09:59 AM

This message was edited by E.T.F., Golden Boy on Nov 23, 2005 10:06 AM

If it's not contradicted by a movie then it's cannon right?

Lots of people are okay with that. The problem comes when you get a poster who tries to explain events in ANH using something that happens in a New Jedi Order novel that came out 25 years after that movie. Or a poster who thinks the movies suck because they didn't show any Jedi in AOTC using a newly-made-up Force ability that was in the Knights of the Old Republic video game.

Case in point.

For the EU, I generally follow this guideline, from Leonard Nimoy on The Simpsons:

"The story you are about to see is true. And by 'true' I mean 'false'. They're all lies. But, they're entertaining lies. And in the end, isn't that the real truth? The answer...is No."

Bubba Hutt
Total Posts: 1129
Member Since: 03/02

Date Posted: Nov 24, 2005 04:12 AM

In Tales of the Bounty Hunters, IG-88 takes over the second Death Star and is about to vapourise both the Rebellion and the Empire when it is destroyed. Nothing in the films contradicts that, but is that "canon"?

The thing that bugs me most about the canon argument isn't so much the blatant, definite contradictions. It's stuff like this, which isn't flat out proved wrong by the movies, but is clearly nowhere near in line with what Lucas intended.

This is why I have trouble accepting EU as canon. Too many characters come off as Mary Sues to me.

demolition18
Total Posts: 370
Member Since: 10/04

Date Posted: Nov 26, 2005 07:42 PM

I know the canon levels because I do resarch. The real story to KOTOR is Darth Revan returns to the light and kills Darth Malak and even Darth Bandon. Darth Revan is redeemed.

That's the canon ending to Knights of the Old Republic. He brings Bastila Shan back from the dark side.

Bripe K'lmun
Total Posts: 1
Member Since: 11/05

Date Posted: Nov 27, 2005 05:21 AM

There's actually no canon ending to KoTOR. Sorry. According to The Holocron, only cutscenes are considered canon, not variables that are determined via gameplay.

demolition18
Total Posts: 370
Member Since: 10/04

Date Posted: Nov 27, 2005 07:29 AM

How many think that it ruins the enjoyment of Star Wars to not see the real events in between the movies or before and after the movies?

Not everything on Star Wars information is true. I did research on Star Wars with the wikipedia. We could ask what really happens to Bossk or Aurra Sing. What ever happens to Dengar or this bounty hunting pair. We could ask the fate of Long Snout.

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