 |
|
Are you sick of TPM bashing? [TDE] - 3841 replies | 257 pages |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
heisthe1
Total Posts: 952
Member Since: 10/01
|
|
Date Posted: Oct 24, 2001 02:15 PM
Are you sick of TPM bashing? -[ scoffs ] no! for his first time in the directors chair for 16 years, he met my expectations with both story, charcters, content, and yes Jar Jar was a hard pill to swallow at first but with each viewing of the film he becomes less obnoxious. Although many people consider this the weakest of the 4. We keep forgetting that Lucas has gone on record as saying that he does not care if his films are sucessful. And im sure the media cant wait to get ahold of this other "turkey" coming down the pike. *meaning no insult of course*.... After watching the next 2 installments, im <b>sure</b> this movie will be looked upon in a different way and embraced for its light-hearted happy go lucky plot..
|
|
|
|
|
Date Posted: Oct 24, 2001 02:38 PM
I have to agree, Darth Whim, that that is a difficult line to walk.
The main problem is not that some people like the film and some people hate it. The main problem is the inconsiderate folks - from all sides of the spectrum - who don't take a civilized approach to communication. We'd probably have a lot less rancor if we talked to each other like we were face to face.
Some of us have had to spend half our time painting ourselves out of a box other people want to put us in to.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Obischick
Total Posts: 33
Member Since: 10/01
|
|
Date Posted: Oct 24, 2001 02:40 PM
Actually, I am quite sick and tired of all the people who think it is a good idea to see how mean and nasty they can be towards TPM. I'll admit, I am too have certain 'critiques' that I share with people, but I still love the movie. If you don't like TPM I have a couple suggestions for you:
1. Shut up and sit down.
2. Don't watch it anymore genius!!
3. If you hate Star Wars so much, why do you continue to watch it?
4. Take your negativity and shove it up your asssss....the last thing the world needs is a bunch of people being pessimistic.
5. Develope a better attitude before AoTC comes out, or go away.
~Obischick
|
|
|
|
|
|
Alex Fardreamer
Total Posts: 117
Member Since: 03/01
|
|
Date Posted: Oct 24, 2001 10:24 PM
Right on, fellow Star Wars fan. Each of the Episodes has either flubs that weren't edited or things fans did not like. I have seen the original trilogy countless times and I don't go around comparing them to such fare as Shakespeare in Love or Saving Private Ryan (to name movies which are more critically acclaimed). There are mistakes and things in all the movies that not everyone likes (my pet peeve is a weird reversal of the frames in a scene close to the end of Empire; you see everything backward on the bridge of the Executor as Vader orders the Imperials to use the tractor beam on the Falcon and to set weapons for stun). I am glad Mr. Lucas decided to fix the ending to Jedi with the galactic celebration; it kind of tied into Episode I better and gave us a glimpse of Coruscant. I can't claim to have loved TPM wholeheartedly on first viewing, but with each additional theatrical, VHS and now DVD viewing, I love the film for what it is, not for what I thought it was going to be.
|
|
|
|
|
|
OONamelessOne
Total Posts: 72
Member Since: 10/01
|
|
Date Posted: Oct 25, 2001 12:55 PM
DarthWhim: It assumes that people will like a bad, or in the case of the expression used, a horrible film just because George Lucas made it, which we can't know because TPM wasn't horrible or even bad.
Nobody ever said it was horrible its been pretty much agreed upon that the movie was watchable and in most opinions a good movie, but it has a lot of issues.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Obischick
Total Posts: 33
Member Since: 10/01
|
|
Date Posted: Oct 25, 2001 01:14 PM
Eloquently said, Alex Fardreamer. I appluad you.
~Obischick
|
|
|
|
|
|
Darth Whim
Total Posts: 30
Member Since: 07/01
|
|
Date Posted: Oct 25, 2001 01:43 PM
I don't think that anyone is saying that TPM is without flaws. I was referring to the statement that somehow fans liking TPM is comparable to fans accepting the equivalent of garbage from Lucas. Those fans, I'm sure exist, but I don't think their support of the film in anyway changes that TPM was a good Star Wars film. And yes, like all the others, flawed in it's own special way.
What this thread is about is the incessant trashing of the film with over the top statements like, "I hate that movie, it sucked, and it's unworthy of being a Star Wars movie!" Worse still is the belief that Star Wars needs saving by fans who say those kind of things, or that their help/meddling is something the rest of us want.
Yes, the movie is flawed and if people need to focus on those things, that's fine, but if someone wants to come into a fan forum to TRASH the film, it seems to me it's about bringing the rest of us down, and not about being a Star Wars fan.
|
|
|
|
|
Date Posted: Oct 25, 2001 01:58 PM
Cool beans, Darth Whim. You're right, folks shouldn't just jump in, make an unsupported declaration, and jump out. All this great technology is here to let us talk to one another, not hurl insults. It's verbal terrorism and I for one will call folks out on it.
|
|
|
|
|
|
DS32
Total Posts: 21
Member Since: 06/01
|
|
Date Posted: Oct 25, 2001 04:20 PM
Believe me, you are not alone. I, for one, have loved this movie since May 19, 1999. And since the day of the DVD release, I have a firm belief that most people liked this movie. It is the fastest-selling DVD of all time(source: USA Today). When I bought it on the day it was released, everyone in line was purchasing a copy! The cashier said she was suprised if someone wasn't buying it that day! I mean, these things were flying off the shelves! They were running out of copies by around 5:00 PM that day, and I feel lucky that I got one!
And bashers, don't tell me that they're just buying it for the special features and not the movie. If they didn't like the movie, then why in the heck would they care about the special features?!
|
|
|
|
|
|
OONamelessOne
Total Posts: 72
Member Since: 10/01
|
|
Date Posted: Oct 25, 2001 04:24 PM
> I was referring to the statement that somehow fans liking TPM is comparable to fans accepting the equivalent of garbage from Lucas.
I dont think you fully understood what was meant by this statement. The way that I understood the statement was that many people did not want to even listen/consider the flaws because GL made the film and it had a SW label on it
|
|
|
|
|
|
Darth Whim
Total Posts: 30
Member Since: 07/01
|
|
Date Posted: Oct 25, 2001 05:00 PM
I hear you Nameless and I'm sure that there are fans that are like that, but they are probably a minority like "bashers".
Funny enough, but it seems to me that the bashers have the same closed minded feelings about the perfection of the old trilogy as the positive zealots have about the new film. They are most likely two paths chosen by the same fan. Fans who loved the old films blindly that when they saw that Star Wars wasn't "perfect" they blocked out the flaws, refusing to see it for what it really is. And the fans who loved the old films blindly but when they saw that Star Wars wasn't perfect, viewed it as an anomaly refusing to think that the other films might have been just as flawed, and closed off those films to critical analisis and decided to hate the new film for "ruining" Star Wars.
|
|
|
|
|
|
ChadP
Total Posts: 300
Member Since: 01/00
|
|
Date Posted: Oct 25, 2001 08:13 PM
Read the Kevin Smith article in the latest SW INSIDER, and you'll see how alot of people feel about EPISODE I.
I loved THE PHANTOM MENACE. People are so jaded these days that they don't remember what a good movie is supposed to be like.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Alex Fardreamer
Total Posts: 117
Member Since: 03/01
|
|
Date Posted: Oct 27, 2001 10:07 AM
Friend, I am only calling them as I see them. I did have issues at first with Jar Jar Binks and I wish we had seen the scuffle with Greedo which was deleted from TPM. But as Mr. Lucas pointed out to Bill Moyers in a PBS special and also quoted in TIME magazine, Episode I has to show Anakin as the good boy whose spirit will be hidden by his alter ego (Darth Vader) for more than 20 years until his son's love and self-sacrifice at Endor restores him, if only briefly.
On an aside, did you notice the sly wink to Leia's classic line ("I am not a committee!" in the Senate scene...Amidala says she will not stand by and watch her people die as the Naboo crisis is discussed in committee...
|
|
|
|
|
|
Alex Fardreamer
Total Posts: 117
Member Since: 03/01
|
|
Date Posted: Oct 27, 2001 10:28 AM
I suppose the 16-year wait, fans' preconceptions, and the know-it-all film critics played a big part in the TPM-as-worst-of-the-saga bashing. Let's face it, you can please some of the fans all the time, you can please all the fans some of the time, but you can't please all the fans all of the time.
I really enjoy THE PHANTOM MENACE, and it just gets better with each viewing. My girlfriend June, who had never seen any of the movies in its entirety until we watched all 4 episodes on home video, says it's her favorite entry in the saga. I tend to look on it as Lucas does: 1 big 12 hour movie, but I do have an affinity for Episode IV (which this movie purposely echoes). Like in adult love, you never forget your first....LOL.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Jaer Dreamcatcher
Total Posts: 11
Member Since: 10/01
|
|
Date Posted: Oct 27, 2001 11:12 AM
When TPM came out I first was too nervous about it to fully enjoy it. But TPM grows the more you see it. And today I watched it on DVD with my kids (6 + 8). And as I saw the sparkling in their eyes I was remembered the feelings I had back in 1977. I made sure they didn't see the tear rolling down my cheek. Thanks George (and team).
Anybody still able to dream can't seriously be bashing TPM.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
![[ Message Boards ]](/skin/default/img/msgboards_title.gif)
![[ Help ]](/skin/default/img/nav/help_off.gif)
![[ Frequently Asked Questions ]](/skin/default/img/nav/faq_off.gif)
![[ Categories ]](/skin/default/img/nav/cats_off.gif)
![[ Episode I ]](/skin/default/img/forums/20.gif "[ Episode I ]")
![[ Beginning ]](/skin/default/img/shell/arrow_double_back.gif "[ Beginning ]"){kind=icon}
![[ Previous ]](/skin/default/img/shell/arrow_single_back.gif "[ Previous ]"){kind=icon}
![[ Next ]](/skin/default/img/shell/arrow_single_next.gif "[ Next ]"){kind=icon}
![[ End ]](/skin/default/img/shell/arrow_double_next.gif "[ End ]"){kind=icon}
