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Are you sick of TPM bashing? [TDE] - 3841 replies | 257 pages |
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Shinebox
Total Posts: 6
Member Since: 04/00
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Date Posted: Jul 29, 2003 10:55 AM
Phantom Menace is one of the best moviesw in existence. I'm a filmmaker and there are little hints of George Lucas' greatness in his craft in every scene. It stands up to the other Star Wars movies as a great popcorn movie that you would take your kids to on a Saturday afternoon. That's all Star Wars is supposed to be, and if you can't become a drooling little 12 year old kid when you watch Star Wars movies (all of them) then don't watch them and certainly don't bash on them. At least Star Wars has thought, story, beleivable characters and great special effects in it, unlike most of the drivel that comes out now, (i.e., any Matrix movie, "LXG", etc.)
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Darth Roque
Total Posts: 413
Member Since: 05/02
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Date Posted: Jul 29, 2003 12:27 PM
Lets get back on focus people, this isnt about the begginings of the movies, but the movies as a whole, and what the people think of them, particularly The Phantom Menace.
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_Lieutenant_Kettch_
Total Posts: 5334
Member Since: 07/03
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Date Posted: Jul 29, 2003 03:56 PM
Personally I think the movie was fine but I have to admit that Jar-Jar did start to get on my nerves.
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I Heart Jill
Total Posts: 248
Member Since: 06/03
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Date Posted: Jul 29, 2003 08:48 PM
Jar Jar Binks isn't such a main character that he should ruin the entire film for you, unless you are very sensitive.
The Phantom Menace is my second favorite star wars film overall, behind empire strikes back. I know not everyone likes it, but i don't understand why. i think it's signifigantly better than attack of the clones.
The story line will grab your interest, the special effects are dazzling, the lightsaber duel of the fates is the greatest fight scene in film history, the podracing will leave you breathless, and the acting is superb, (i thought that natalie portman and liam neeson did a particularly excellent job). it lacks the minor plot holes and bad acting (hayden christensen, mainly) of episode 2, and the subtle hints of a shroud of evil enclosing the galaxy was riveting.
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I Heart Jill
Total Posts: 248
Member Since: 06/03
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Date Posted: Jul 29, 2003 08:48 PM
(need i remind you that it is but a small computer trick to slow down bullet on screen, there's nothing special about matrix special effects, although the movies are still quite good. any one space battle from star wars is twice as hard and 10 times as dazzling as a fight scene from the matrix)
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A-3LX *2005 is there, at last*
Total Posts: 1640
Member Since: 09/02
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Date Posted: Jul 30, 2003 02:54 AM
I'm one of the greatest supporters of TPM. It's a good movie, a great scifi story and an excellent chapter of the Star Wars saga.
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Darth Roque
Total Posts: 413
Member Since: 05/02
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Date Posted: Jul 30, 2003 02:56 AM
Id like to know who youre talking to Flash, as far as I know, no one here was talking about the Matrix or comparing It to Star wars for that matter. But for all intensive purposes i completely agree with that. Bullet time is what bought the Academy to give The matrix an Oscar for Special effects back in 2000, but in reality Star Wars was far superior to it and should have gotte an oscar.
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I Heart Jill
Total Posts: 248
Member Since: 06/03
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Date Posted: Jul 30, 2003 06:27 AM
by comparing it to matrix, i was just saying that the special effects were far superior to any other, like you were.
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b1lly
Total Posts: 61
Member Since: 07/01
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Date Posted: Aug 05, 2003 04:05 AM
Well, I was originally one of the fans who screamed about GL "raping" my childhood when the initial release of TPM came out back in '99. In fact, I hated it so much, I couldn't watch any SW film for about 2 years after that.
Then I saw AOTC and completely fell in love with it, and felt like it was the film that returned Star Wars to it's glory. So, I decided to try to give TPM a second chance, and I discovered this essay that really got me thinking about the deeper themes present in TPM that I hadn't considered before writing it off. Actually, it is only part of a much longer essay that can be linked from the page I noted above. Anyways, the whole essay really put TPM into perspective for me, and now I have a new-found respect for the film. If just one "basher" here reads that essay, and decides to give TPM a second chance because of it, I will be happy.
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Clancy Horatio Viscount Wiggum
Total Posts: 3115
Member Since: 06/02
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Date Posted: Aug 05, 2003 03:08 PM
This message was edited by Clancy Horatio Viscount Wiggum on Aug 05, 2003 03:10 PM
b1lly...that is awesome dude.
I am very happy you've come to see this film for it's merits. Maybe somewhere Kornealous is reading this and will read that essay.
It's amazing what an open mind and a few years will do.
Also, b1lly, I had read that article before...but thank you for reposting it. It has depth. If only some of the lazy critics back in '99 would have been as insightful.
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Clancy Horatio Viscount Wiggum
Total Posts: 3115
Member Since: 06/02
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Date Posted: Aug 05, 2003 04:24 PM
whoa...and this from D. Trull's comments on the dialogue in Episode I:
"I guess they went into The Phantom Menace expecting the incisive discourses of a David Mamet screenplay, but instead they got "If they can't get those shield generators fixed, we'll be sitting ducks," and "Sandstorms are very, very dangerous." It all sounds like good old vintage Lucas-speak to me, but a lot of people just don't get it. "
http://www.lardbiscuit.com/lard/ilovetpm4.html
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Darth Roque
Total Posts: 413
Member Since: 05/02
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Date Posted: Aug 06, 2003 06:12 AM
B1lly, when i said that i had come to appreciate all the subtle and hidden meanings and Episode I i truly meant everything the guy said in his Essay, which im glad you have come and put into words for everyone here through the mas who wrote that. Truly Fantastic movie.
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Darth Roque
Total Posts: 413
Member Since: 05/02
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Date Posted: Aug 07, 2003 01:23 PM
"Ultimately, Jar Jar is directly responsible for setting in motion the entire third act of the movie. When all seems lost and dark, he inspires Queen Amidala to shed her dependence on the ineffectual bureaucracy of the Republic, and he gives her the courage to go back and fight for their home planet, on her own terms. He is the liaison who facilitates an alliance between the Gungans and the Naboo. He doesn't manage to lead his troops to victory over the battle droid army, but he does his best. Jar Jar the fool is indispensable to the plot, and a fine character."-D.Trull
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Techno Terror
Total Posts: 7249
Member Since: 11/01
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Date Posted: Aug 08, 2003 01:03 PM
The fans that accuse GL for selling out with TPM, are the same kind of people who said Metallica and Bob Dylan sold out.
The fact of the matter is as artists work matures, it changes. A lot of fans don`t like changes. They want to hear and see the same old songs like a broken record. It`s really sad. Even worse, they think they own the artist and don`t want to share them when they belong to everyone. There was quite a lot of hype and merchandizing with TPM. This turned some fans off.
Those kinds of fans stiffle innovation and creativity of the artist. They don`t let them grow. Kinda reminds me of that "Misery" where a deranged fan kidnaps her favorite author and demands that he writes novels her way and tortures him in the mean time. Yeah, that`s you!
You TPM bashers are probably still wearing the same style clothing you did 7 years ago. We live in the real world...the 21st century...come back to it.
1977 and disco balls are over!
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Hawkeye Skywalker
Total Posts: 11233
Member Since: 06/03
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Date Posted: Aug 08, 2003 01:08 PM
Hi All, Guess what? I sat down and watched TPM last night, keeping in mind some points that were made by posters here (specifically Rose_Walker and Sith Lord Jay). Well, I'm glad I did watch it again.
Now, I still say: 1. too much Jar Jar, 2. I still like the feel of the OT better... BUT -- I think that TPM and ATOC (and hopefully EpIII) make the OT even better films. Also, I took into account that the people in TPM grew up in a totally different environment that the OT characters. In TPM, there was order and civility -- in OT, more fear, anxiety, and rebellion against evil. So - TPM could not have had the exact same feel as the OT. So the dialog (sometimes viewed as "stiff") didn't bother me this time....
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