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Troy Denning
Total Posts: 60
Member Since: 01/06

Date Posted: Jun 16, 2008 08:50 PM

"I loved the book, but I'm left feeling confused about Jacen's entire journey. Was there any credence/merit to his choices to bring about peace to the galaxy, or was he simply duped by Lumiya from day one, tricked through clouded Force visions and cleverly disguised lies? In this novel, it appeared that Luke was confusing/clouding Jacen's future Force visions, so is this what Lumiya had been doing to him all along?"

As a wise Jedi Master once said, the future is always in motion. I'm tempted to say more, but am going to hold my tongue . . . that's really for you, the reader, to decide. As for whether there was any merit to Jacen's attempts to bring peace to the galaxy, we'll just have to see what the future holds. I'm looking forward to it as much as you are . . .

Wari
Total Posts: 9625
Member Since: 12/99

Date Posted: Jun 18, 2008 12:16 AM

This message was edited by Wari on Jun 18, 2008 01:03 AM

We still have Jaina, Lowbacca, Tahiri, Raynar, etc. who were actually in the YJKs books, plus "new" charactes like Ben and Tesar Sebatyne, and the children of some of the other Jedi (the Horn kids, for example). That's more than enough to build a story around

I saw Raynar in that comment.

I started to think of Jacen as having lost sight of the light side almost as soon as I read TRAITOR

THANK YOU!!!!!!

As a wise Jedi Master once said, the future is always in motion. I'm tempted to say more, but am going to hold my tongue . . . that's really for you, the reader, to decide

fans decide too much.........they should ' wonder ' more

Wrexsolo
Total Posts: 48
Member Since: 03/08

Date Posted: Jun 18, 2008 02:15 AM

Hi Mr Dennings. First off thanks for putting yourself through this, allowing yourself to be cross examined by the most hostile force possible,fans.
I now under stand your need for a tight focus on the Jaina/Jacen storyline but wondered how you would feel if a book came out that was set at the same point in the timeline either taking a much wider point of view or from another charactors view in the story, they are many to chose from from Wedges daughter to even Daala.
It's another genre but I'm thinking How Raymond E Feist did the same story from diffrent views in his Riftwar/Servant of the Empire books

		brennandc Total Posts: 432 Member Since: 02/06

Date Posted: Jun 18, 2008 06:14 AM

I started to think of Jacen as having lost sight of the light side almost as soon as I read TRAITOR

Since I finished Invincible, I went back to re-read NJO from star by star through the end, and then through the DN(1/2 way through TSW). Not as much in NJO(although you can clearly see vergere opening him to the dark side in traitor), but he's definitely changed by DN. His five years to learn and reflect on all that happened to him in the Vong war seemed to have steered him down that path. Wasn't there another 5 years between DN and Betrayal. Lots of stuff could have been going on with him then too.

Master Yelsha-Nu
Total Posts: 526
Member Since: 05/08

Date Posted: Jun 18, 2008 11:02 AM

Hi Mr Denning!
Just finished Invincible last night and there has been something bugging me since I read Inferno and that is the fate of Raynar (the pun above is definitly intended). Raynar is mentioned briefly in Betrayal where it mentions that he is locked up in the Temple; my question is:

What happened to Raynar after the Jedi abandoned the Temple during Inferno and was it ever part of a plan to bring Raynar into LOTF after all, with the imense power he shows in Dark Nest couldn't he have rivaled Jacen?

I know the question isn't exactly about Invincible but as I say this has been bugging me for a while and I would be interested to hear your view on this.

While I'm here I would just like to make one critisism of LOTF which is that you kill of 3 of my favourite EU characters!

Praro'rio'nuruodo
Total Posts: 356
Member Since: 09/06

Date Posted: Jun 18, 2008 12:53 PM

Ok I have a question........Jacen whined in one of the LOTF books(shocker), I forget which one maybe Sacrifice because he was whining to Mara, but he was whining about being in love with a woman he couldn't have(obviously Tenel Ka). Why could he not be with Tenel Ka? They had a daughter together, her father felt that Leia, Jacen's mother, was good enough to be royalty, and her grandmother felt that Jacen's sister Jaina was good enough to marry her son, so why would Jacen not be good enough for Tenel Ka? Is there some more complex reason for this, or is Jacen just being a drama queen, as is often the case.

Thunder 1347
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Member Since: 11/04

Date Posted: Jun 18, 2008 06:33 PM

Ah, here's one. Who ultimately decided that Jacen would end up with Tenel Ka? It seemed like NJO was setting him up for a relationship with Danni Quee.

Darth Minious
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Member Since: 07/04

Date Posted: Jun 18, 2008 07:20 PM

Why could he not be with Tenel Ka? They had a daughter together, her father felt that Leia, Jacen's mother, was good enough to be royalty, and her grandmother felt that Jacen's sister Jaina was good enough to marry her son, so why would Jacen not be good enough for Tenel Ka?
Wasn't the reason for hiding Allana's parentage to protect her father from assassination (or something to that effect)? The Hapes royal house has always had members advancing through subterfuge & assassinations.

Wari
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Member Since: 12/99

Date Posted: Jun 18, 2008 11:56 PM

It seemed like NJO was setting him up for a relationship with Danni Quee.

Jacen left the temple, and Quee went with Sekot so, they were worlds apart.

Praro'rio'nuruodo
Total Posts: 356
Member Since: 09/06

Date Posted: Jun 19, 2008 04:40 PM

> Wasn't the reason for hiding Allana's parentage to
> protect her father from assassination (or something
> to that effect)? The Hapes royal house has always had
> members advancing through subterfuge & assassinations.

Well that was part of it, but assassination was just a part of Hapan life. And even though I don't particularly like Jacen, I think he could have handled the Hapan Royal families plots.

Darth FenNu
Total Posts: 8
Member Since: 06/08

Date Posted: Jun 20, 2008 10:10 AM

This message was edited by Darth FenNu on Jun 20, 2008 10:42 AM

Troy,
I have been puzzling over this question for some time now and it would truly help me if you could answer this one thing for me; provided, of course, that you know. Why has there been the departure from returning from the Dark Side to the Light? Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader did it, Luke Skywalker has done it, Zekk, Kyp Durron, and Mara Jade have all been able to return from the Dark Side of the Force to the Light. Vader helped execute almost the entirety of the Jedi, helped enslave alien races and oversaw the destruction of Alderaan. Mara Jade worked directly under Emperor Palpatine as his assassin. Kyp Durron used a superweapon to destroy a planet. All of these people did horrible things, more or less equal to what Caedus did, and yet they were able to be brought back to the Light. I don't mean to quote "Star Wars Case Law" at you, but it just seems that conceding Jacen to the Dark Side departs from something that is at the very core of what Star Wars is all about. Thanks.

CadderlySoaring
Total Posts: 277
Member Since: 05/08

Date Posted: Jun 20, 2008 02:35 PM

Well, strictly speaking Darth, didn't Troy have Tahiri come back to the light? She may be leaving the Order but she turned her back on the dark side in the end..So it's still an element of the books. At least, that's what I saw.

One Sith turned back. One Sith was destroyed.

Darth FenNu
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Member Since: 06/08

Date Posted: Jun 21, 2008 04:00 AM

Although you definitely do have a point Cadderly, I feel that my question still remains unanswered. Jacen was such a significant character that it is hard for me to understand why, when so many others have been brought back in the past, was it decided that they should give up on Jacen. I may be misremembering, but I think it was Lucas himself who had nixed killing Jacen off in the NJO series, and guided the authors hands to killing Anakin instead. So it confuses me that Lucas would have stayed the hands of the authors before, only to have Jacen be surrendered to the Dark Side later, and killed - which as I said before seems to be a departure from all that is Star Wars.

greyjedi08
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Member Since: 11/07

Date Posted: Jun 21, 2008 10:25 AM

Greeting Mr. Denning, I know this question has been asked but, I have not seen a satisfactory answer. The question, why couldn't Jacen aka Darth Caedus be redeemed? After all Vader was. Just my humble opinion; cutting Jacen off from the Force and exile, like the case of Ulic Qel-Droma would have been a better solution than killing him. I believe in time Jacen would have seen the error of his ways in that situation.

CadderlySoaring
Total Posts: 277
Member Since: 05/08

Date Posted: Jun 21, 2008 07:30 PM

In principle, Darth FenNu....

I really do agree with what you're saying.

As I said in the VCap thread....I'm shocked the hole that Del Rey and Lucasfilm Books has dug for themselves here.

Why kill off both Anakin and Jacen???

Why would they not redeem Jacen after killing off Anakin?

I don't understand the logic of destroying the Solo bloodline. I think that's why a lot of fans are really upset now.

They took out Mara so now the Skywalker bloodline is now solely rested on Ben. Luke can have no more children.

They took out Jacen so now the Solo bloodline is now rested on no one. Jaina will take the surname of Fel or someone else. Who's to continue it??

Legacy dropped the ball that NJO and previous series began...So, I hear what you're saying.

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