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Go-Mer-Tonic
Total Posts: 244
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Date Posted: Feb 27, 2002 08:56 AM
This message was edited by Master Mike... on May 08, 2003 12:16 PM
It is unfortunate that discussion regarding the actual quality of this film tends to produce so many flames. However, I feel this is an important topic to talk about, which is why I keep resurrecting this thread when dark forces drag it down into oblivion. I mean, let's face it, TPM is already better embraced now that the knee-jerk reactions to it have been put in proper perspective.
To those of you who think TPM sucks: Wouldn't it be nice if you were wrong about that?
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Go-Mer-Tonic
Total Posts: 244
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Date Posted: Feb 27, 2002 08:56 AM
Well, this thread is meant to explore the possibility that many of us simply expected more than any film could have ever delivered, and that in retrospect, TPM isn't really all that bad.
Jar-Jar is actually kind of cool when you figure out how to understand him, and Jake Lloyd seems like a better actor when you realize he wasn't supposed to be brimming with dark foreshadowing.
What do you guys think? (Please no assertions of superiority or other kinds of flames, lets act like the upstanding people we all like to think we are)
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Go-Mer-Tonic
Total Posts: 244
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Date Posted: Feb 27, 2002 08:59 AM
Just for reference, here is a link to my now closed thread.
http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jsp?forum=20&thread=18535
Please let the flames to be found there die.
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IdgieT
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Date Posted: Feb 27, 2002 01:07 PM
At 900+ million dollars in ticket sales worldwide,and record breaking DVD and VHS sales,I'd say the film was pretty well received,despite what some would have you think.
I think a better question might be whether or not the subtle complexities of TPM will be better understood over time.
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Darth_Corleone
Total Posts: 55
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Date Posted: Feb 27, 2002 01:27 PM
A bad film will always be a bad film. TPM in my view will always be seen as another bad blockbuster like ID4 & Armageddon. Remember these films also sold tons of VHS & DVD but they're still garbage. Planet Of The Apes, Mummy Returns, & Pearl Harbor DVDs all outsold TPM. What does that tell you.
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Katar the Headhunter
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Date Posted: Feb 27, 2002 02:11 PM
Will it be better embraced over time? Who knows. Probably not. We live in a very cynical society these days. It's now considered chic to bash the hell out of anything that is even remotely popular. I'm not saying that TPM bashers neccesarily fall into this category, but it is a fairly common phenomenon. Take a film like Titanic. If Titanic hadn't received rave reviews and been trumpeted by entertainment magazines and news programs around the world, it wouldn't have received 1/5th amount of heat that it currently gets.
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PieHead
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Date Posted: Feb 27, 2002 02:17 PM
My give up. MYYY give up!
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Makabe
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Date Posted: Feb 27, 2002 02:39 PM
Some criticism of it was well founded, but some of it was stupid. One of the most important plot points, if not the most important one, is how Anakin becomes Vader. Treating him as a static character--as having always had Dark Side tendencies--is not an option. He goes through quite an evolution. He wasn't Darth Vader from the start, he became Vader. So I agree, Go-Mer, that it's ridiculous to expect to see a young Darth Vader in Episode I instead of Anakin Skywalker. When we see him finally become Vader, it will be a far cry from the kind little boy from Episode I, not something that was inevitable from the beginning. The question at that point is, can he go back? On the other hand, I did feel the editing towards the end was a mess, and that Lucas bit off more than he could chew in terms of the number of climaxes. But as an introduction to characters, as the beginning of a much larger story, I have always liked Episode I.
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YellowSabered Jedi
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Date Posted: Feb 27, 2002 02:52 PM
I agree with Makabe
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lindros
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Date Posted: Feb 27, 2002 02:53 PM
I think TPM will be better understood in time. It is just the introduction to the story. It is also a very "light" episode. According to Lucas, this was done to contrast it against the much darker AOTC and Ep III. I'm surprised by alot of the bashing. Alot of people aren't even waiting to see how TPM relates to the rest of the prequel trilogy....
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PieHead
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Date Posted: Feb 27, 2002 03:28 PM
Well. a lot of them don't understand how Ep1 fits in with the rest of the films aesthetically and thematically.
But it's honestly a waste of time. I'm getting too old for this sort of thing.
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Date Posted: Feb 28, 2002 03:23 AM
I hate to bring LOTR into this, but critics have embraced a movie with no ending. LOTR: FOTR doesn't end, it simply stops.
The first LOTR movie shouldn't really be embraced as a single movie, but part of a larger film. TPM should be regarded the same way.
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-Solo
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Date Posted: Feb 28, 2002 05:30 PM
I think that EP1 was a bit light, and had less then good acting by that child actor..
Having sad that, i liked it.
It´s only the beginning of the saga, and the best is yet to come.
And almost all that "bash" it, atleast liked the podracing and the caracter Darth Maul.
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bh885796
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Date Posted: Feb 28, 2002 06:41 PM
IMHO, THM was an incredibly difficult movie to pull off. It's main purpose was to introduce characters, and get the ball rolling for rest of the saga. Once the next two films come out, I think people will be hard pressed to discount the importance of TPM. Without it the rest of the movies would have no perspective.
Everyones silly gripes about certain characters or midichlorians will give way eventually to an understanding that if nothing else, TPM was necessary.
I for one loved it.
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Kornknealous
Total Posts: 178
Member Since: 01/02
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Date Posted: Feb 28, 2002 10:40 PM
In response to O.j.
LOTR/Fellowship of the ring Is a well made segement of a larger story. Sure it has no end. However, it had many elements of a well told story. Instantly setting the audience up for a huge saga. TMP misses the boat in that regard for all tthe reasons many TMP "bashers" have posted all over the net.
And go mer: It still sucks. I dont like it. It put me in the theater instead of taking me far far away.
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