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		Sue Rostoni Member Profile Total Posts: 2798 Member Since: 11/01

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Date Posted: May 21, 2008 09:22 AM

For instance - what happened to Tycho? Is he dead? Wedge was brought in and then disappeared. He didn't even come up in Mara's funeral scenes. Missing opportunities like these leave me feeling more disappointed than satisfied. I had hoped this series would be a great opportunity to show Luke & Ben's father/son relationship - but instead it's so disjointed and undeveloped, it's got me feeling like Luke is the worst father ever...and Luke is my favorite character! I couldn't imagine Luke not having an awesome relationship with Ben - will this ever get addressed/repaired?

There was a lot going on in this series... many character threads, multi-plots, people here and there, here and gone..... That might just be the nature of SW -- there are so many characters and everyone wants/expects to see their personal favorite take center stage and that can happen for that 15 minutes, but not for an entire series. Can't have 40 main characters. Maybe 5 or 6 per book, but then everything gets stretched too thinly. So Wedge comes in and gets his spot, but if he's not essential in another scene, he's not there. Or he's there and off camera and you can use your imagination to see the scene from his point-of-view, i.e., Mara's funeral. I know that sounds simplistic and the actual process is anything but simplistic. And then every element of a book has to be tied in and lead the book's theme forward. And if a certain character doesn't add to the development, then it's a misuse of words, and when there are only 350-400 pages per novel, authors have keep things pretty tightly wound. Does that make sense?

		Sue Rostoni Member Profile Total Posts: 2798 Member Since: 11/01

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Date Posted: May 21, 2008 09:30 AM

Spoiler

What purpose was served by killing Caedus so soon? I can see his fall taking place over about a year, but why the entire reign? It was a lot of build up just to end like it did. Was Jacen redeemed? (And why wasn't it made clear to us the audience?)

Caedus was killed in the last book; that was as late as we could put it. We had him start the fall in the first book so we would have time to really experience his journey, with Sacrifice being the point of no return. Was he redeemed? You'll have to draw your own conclusions

MyriAntilles
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Date Posted: May 21, 2008 09:39 AM

Was he redeemed? You'll have to draw your own conclusions

One thing that Denning did very well, IMHO. Given the shades of gray that the series explored, I'm very pleased this was left open to interpretation and debate.

		Sue Rostoni Member Profile Total Posts: 2798 Member Since: 11/01

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Date Posted: May 21, 2008 09:40 AM

This message was edited by Sue Rostoni on May 21, 2008 09:43 AM

I almost find it an affront as a fan to be told that I am incapable of dealing with a storyline that packs an emotional punch.

Wow. If that's what someone implied about me, I wouldn't be "almost" affronted! I hope that my previous post wasn't interpreted as my thinking that you all aren't "incapable of dealing with a storyline that packs an emotional punch." The entire series was an emotional punch. I am sorry that you didn't feel the emotional element of Invincible was strong enough, but I can assure you there was no discussion of pulling anything back.

As far as the Falcon book being set 2 years later, and my comments around the grief issue. There are many reasons why it makes sense to do it this way, and sensible reasons for wanting the next book starting on the heels of the last. Just please keep an open mind and be patient.

beccatoria
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Date Posted: May 21, 2008 09:56 AM

This message was edited by beccatoria on May 21, 2008 10:27 AM

SPOILERS!

Sue - thank you for addressing the Daala issue but I'm afraid that while you may think it makes sense to the characters, it doesn't make sense to me. Daala is an untried war criminal who killed civilians and tried to smash a star destroyer into a civilian population centre. Her last stab at government led to murdering her subordinates. I don't care how much she's "mellowed". As a reader I never saw it. I've never seen her so much as express remorse.

I assumed Denning's use of "thunderous applause" was a call back to Palpatine's inauguration but now I find out that it was serious?

I love Star Wars. I'll keep buying the books. KOTOR & Legacy in particular are awesome. But I hate this. I cannot express how strongly I *hate* this. It left the worst taste in my mouth. Everything the rebels fought for destroyed and they don't even realise it, and apparently I'm not supposed to either.

/SPOILERS!

midori8
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Date Posted: May 21, 2008 09:56 AM

This message was edited by midori8 on May 21, 2008 09:57 AM

Sue, thanks for all the open and honest discussion and the willingness to read whatever ppl have to say.

You're cool.

MyriAntilles
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Date Posted: May 21, 2008 10:00 AM

This message was edited by MyriAntilles on May 21, 2008 10:17 AM

Wow. If that's what someone implied about me, I wouldn't be "almost" affronted! I hope that my previous post wasn't interpreted as my thinking that you all aren't "incapable of dealing with a storyline that packs an emotional punch."

Sue wrote (May 20, 2008 04:39 PM):

... people read Star Wars to escape reality, not be shoved back into it. The thought at our end was that you all had had enough strife, death, destruction, emotional upheavals to last for quite sometime. What you wanted was escapist fiction ... the authors, editors ....felt that reading a book consisting of the characters' heart-wrenching torment of losing yet another child would be too much for an author to write

MyriAntilles
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Date Posted: May 21, 2008 10:00 AM

I apologize if I interpreted your words incorrectly, Sue.

I have lost a child. I remember the impact it had on us all. How very personal grief is. Part of SW is certainly the escapism. Part of the draw is that it doesn't suffer from the "Peter Pan" syndrome. Our characters do grow up, grow old. They deal with many of the issues that life throws our collective way. I value and appreciate it when the authors/editorial team allows this exploration .. this balance between fantasy and reality to happen.

Just please keep an open mind and be patient.

Duly noted. Although the first one is a far cry easier than the second!

		The Broox Member Profile Total Posts: 20758 Member Since: 12/02

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Date Posted: May 21, 2008 10:02 AM

This message was edited by The Broox on May 21, 2008 10:53 AM

REMINDER

If you would like to get your Invincible questions answered in this thread please remember to abide by the Spoiler Policy. Posts that do not will be deleted (unless you are Sue).

		darthlex74 Member Profile Total Posts: 66 Member Since: 05/02

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Date Posted: May 21, 2008 10:11 AM

Welcome back, Sue!

First - for what it's worth, I thought the emotional tone of Invincible was dead on. I have no interest in reading pages of internal-monologue melodrama about the tragedy that unfolds. I much prefer the style Denning actually uses - showing us how the characters confront and cope with their choices, rather than telling us all their feelings in overwrought prose. Bravo on the storytelling choice, IMO.

Second - there is nothing wrong, IMO, with Invincible using "offscreen" moments to great effect. Inferno and Invincible both feel like watching a SW movie - and the storytelling style of the movies leaves many plot developments "offscreen." For example, do we need a long chapter wrapping up the war and the peace conference? No. LOTF is a family story, and Invincible wraps that up perfectly.

GhostofAnakin
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Date Posted: May 21, 2008 10:25 AM

Sue,

I'll take the non response as indication that you are unable to answer my question at this time, with the new contract still being put into place.

		Sue Rostoni Member Profile Total Posts: 2798 Member Since: 11/01

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Date Posted: May 21, 2008 10:26 AM

I apologize if I interpreted your words incorrectly, Sue.

No need for apologies -- posting is a poor second to actually talking with someone.

		Sue Rostoni Member Profile Total Posts: 2798 Member Since: 11/01

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Date Posted: May 21, 2008 10:29 AM

if you would like to get your Invincible questions answered in this thread please remember to abide by the Spoiler Policy. Posts that do not will be deleted.

Oh wow. I'm the worst offender here.

		Sue Rostoni Member Profile Total Posts: 2798 Member Since: 11/01

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Date Posted: May 21, 2008 10:31 AM

This message was edited by Sue Rostoni on May 21, 2008 10:32 AM

Darthlex74 --

Yeah, that's what I thought, too. Thanks for posting.

		The Broox Member Profile Total Posts: 20758 Member Since: 12/02

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Date Posted: May 21, 2008 10:46 AM

> if you would like to get your Invincible questions
> answered in this thread please remember to abide by
> the Spoiler Policy. Posts that do not will be
> deleted.
>
> Oh wow. I'm the worst offender here.

Far from it, you use spoiler tags the vast majority of the time.

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