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Books, Comics, & Television VIPs - 9952 replies | 664 pages |
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Date Posted: May 20, 2008 08:22 PM
Based on the LOTF timeline you did, and with Revelation taking place twelve weeks (which I believe are five-day weeks, but I could be wrong) after Sacrifice, it seems that Invincible could possibly take place at the beginning of 41 ABY. Are there plans for the LOTF timeline to be completed, and a definite placement for Invincible?
Wow. You know, my timeline wasn't correct. I was basing it all on Ben's birthday and I know I didn't do something right. i always wanted to fix it and make it right, but i could never get the time to get on top of it again. Maybe someone here has figured it all out.
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The2ndquest
Total Posts: 1173
Member Since: 12/99
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Date Posted: May 20, 2008 08:52 PM
I can try to get an ebook or something in between.... But there has to be a story for it to be set in too and people have to carry on somehow.
"Niathal Kicking Butt While Something Happens To Jacen Elsewhere" has a nice ring to it... 
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Jeff Ferguson
Total Posts: 1704
Member Since: 07/00
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Date Posted: May 20, 2008 09:13 PM
This message was edited by Jeff Ferguson on May 20, 2008 09:16 PM
Wait... what? No no, your timeline was correct in regards to Ben's birthday, with Exile taking place about two-thirds through the year, just as Edge of Victory II: Rebirth did in 26 ABY. I was just wondering if the rest of the books caused the finale to spill over into 41 ABY.
Were there any problems with the timeline? I didn't think so...
Edit: What was it with your timeline that is incorrect, Sue? I think it makes sense... some fans have put together this estimated timeline, which has Revelation beginning sixty days after Sacrifice ends, which is 12 weeks x 5 days.
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Wari
Total Posts: 9625
Member Since: 12/99
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Date Posted: May 20, 2008 10:41 PM
I'll keep my fingers crossed that Jim will write a well-balanced book that draws from the events in LotF, but pushes things forward into a positive light.
Thats the strange thing about the NJO series. It shocked us with the fact that main characters can die.....why I 'm not sure considering major characters have always died in all but one of the Star Wars films. But somehow we got used to them living ,especially during the NR era.
Then after the NJO everyone (at least here on the boards) have become obsessed with Power, lightsaber skills, whos gonna die and whos gonna kill them. Theres plenty of room for that kind of family fun, but I'm happy with Star Wars the way it was meant to be . Fantasy.
Lucenos very good at keeping things balanced. We'll have drama, action and comedy. The way Star Wars was intended. (and hopefully alot more R2D2)
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veracava
Total Posts: 23
Member Since: 05/01
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Date Posted: May 20, 2008 10:43 PM
hi sue, i hope you don't mind me asking you a question since you seem to know a lot about the exact planning of the books.
spoilers
the whole mando/nanovirus thing...did you realize that it would also effect all the clones and their children and grandchildren to release something that effects boba and mirta? was that thought about at all? with how much karen traviss has done to introduce us to "clan skirata" in the republic commando books, now the whole clan is close to wiped out. it sucks to think there is one more book coming about the nulls and clones and knowinghat they get to be happy and have a real life with family, but in the back of my mind to think that it won't be that happy. knowing what will happen to their families is going to make it harder to read i think. was that planned? will anything be written about what happens to mandalore with the virus and with the bombing the imps did?
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Date Posted: May 20, 2008 10:46 PM
I am wondering if there is anything in the works to get back to the swashbuckling story lines like the OT? I miss the humor and banter, the comraderie, the chance to really get to know and understand my favorite main characters. I've kept up with all the EU novels as they've been released, but I'm finding it harder and harder to stay engaged as characters come out of the blue and disappear again. I have no interest in comics or games, so references to events or characters from these outlets get lost of me. While I understand each author wants to have a voice and add their own new characters into the vaunted universe of Star Wars, for me I still want to know what's going on with Luke, Han, Leia & the gang.
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Date Posted: May 20, 2008 10:46 PM
continuing...
The NJO series took the novels in a very dark direction and I felt too many plot lines and not enough depth. I found the Dark Nest trilogy very bizarre, but had high hopes for the Legacy series. While not completely disappointed, i felt there still too many plots / sub-plots going which left way too many unresolved questions. For instance - what happened to Tycho? Is he dead? Wedge was brought in and then disappeared. He didn't even come up in Mara's funeral scenes. Missing opportunities like these leave me feeling more disappointed than satisfied. I had hoped this series would be a great opportunity to show Luke & Ben's father/son relationship - but instead it's so disjointed and undeveloped, it's got me feeling like Luke is the worst father ever...and Luke is my favorite character! I couldn't imagine Luke not having an awesome relationship with Ben - will this ever get addressed/repaired?
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GhostofAnakin
Total Posts: 1073
Member Since: 10/03
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Date Posted: May 20, 2008 10:58 PM
Sue,
Are there any plans (or if you can't/won't get specific, have there been even minor discussions at meetings) about expanding the roles of the characters not named Skywalker/Solo? For instance, I'm re-reading the NJO series now, and one of the major differences I'm finding (and enjoying) is that a lot of the books have characters like Corran Horn, or Ganner Rhysode, or the like playing prominent roles. In LotF, if you weren't related to the Skywalker/Solos, or a villain (ie. Lumiya/Alema), there weren't many "starring" roles played by other characters.
Any chance we'll see future books center on, perhaps, "new Jedi characters", much like in the past we were given the Horns, the Durrons, the Sebatynes, the Tahiris, the Tenel Kas, etc.
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Nick Fel
Total Posts: 1486
Member Since: 04/00
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Date Posted: May 21, 2008 01:21 AM
Appeal from a British fan: Invincible isn't out here yet, and there's a designated spoiler thread for Invincible. Could people please ask their plot specific questions over there so that those of us who want to remain spoiler free can still enjoy the VIP thread?
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jedi19688
Total Posts: 8
Member Since: 03/06
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Date Posted: May 21, 2008 06:06 AM
Sue, I wanted to say that I was intrigued by the idea of LOTF and seeing a Skywalker descendant fall to the dark side. I greatly enjoyed the series, including the multiple authors. Many thanks for taking on such an endeavour! But I have to say that I was sorely disappointed with the ending. I spent the better part of 2 years reading the series and NJO and DN so that I could fill in the backstory on Jacen and the other characters. At the end I was left with ---Why? Why did I spend my free time reading (and rereading) these books to only come to the end and not see it properly closed? Was it because Millenium Falcon will really continue the story or because Invincible was just that poor of a book?
..to be continued
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jedi19688
Total Posts: 8
Member Since: 03/06
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Date Posted: May 21, 2008 06:09 AM
This message was edited by jedi19688 on May 21, 2008 06:14 AM
**spoilers.---Sorry, tried to keep it spoiler free, but I'm really curious about Sue's response to these two questions**
I have so many unaswered questions but I guess my main ones are….What purpose was served by killing Caedus so soon? I can see his fall taking place over about a year, but why the entire reign? It was a lot of build up just to end like it did. Was Jacen redeemed? (And why wasn't it made clear to us the audience?)
** end spoliers**
**to be continued
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jedi19688
Total Posts: 8
Member Since: 03/06
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Date Posted: May 21, 2008 06:10 AM
This message was edited by jedi19688 on May 21, 2008 06:22 AM
I expected to get answers in Invincible and instead we got more mysteries (or, worse, blatant holes in the story). I had hope that the missing character POVs (and the emotion lacking because of them) were to serve a future story line, that if it was revealed what really happened now, it would ruin some upcoming story. But after reading your earlier post about not wanting to go into the emotions, I get the sense that that wasn't the reason after all.
I really did enjoy the series and hope that you don't stop exploring such "dark" topics in the future, including the character development and emotions that come with it. But if you do, I hope the authors take the time to make us really feel the emotions that should be there. (They were there throughout the series, just not in the last, crucial book.)
p.s. I hope you have some time to read some of the Invincible threads on other sites, such as TFN and NJOE. That is where you will see the raw, heartbreaking reaction to Invincible
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MyriAntilles
Total Posts: 668
Member Since: 07/07
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Date Posted: May 21, 2008 08:58 AM
This message was edited by MyriAntilles on May 21, 2008 09:35 AM
Hello Sue,
Sorry, I’m very late to this party. But have read through the posts from the last week, the feedback on Invincible contained therein, and your responses.
I am heartened by the fact that you have floated the possibility of an e-book. Like many, I had mixed emotions after I turned the final page of Invincible. Certainly it was an acceptable effort, but it fell short in so many places. Particularly the emotional aspect, which so many others have chimed in about. After the success of previous novels such as SbS and TuF, I almost find it an affront as a fan to be told that I am incapable of dealing with a storyline that packs an emotional punch.
So many threads were left untied ... from an emotional, political, and story-element POV that I can’t begin to count them.
And to be told that the next book takes places two years down the road? I’m at a loss to describe how that made me feel. I think (was it JaIna?) came close … punched in the gut.
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MyriAntilles
Total Posts: 668
Member Since: 07/07
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Date Posted: May 21, 2008 09:03 AM
This message was edited by MyriAntilles on May 21, 2008 10:20 AM
I said this on NJOE and I’ll say it here, too. I don’t think it’s fair of me to hold up SbS continually and say “here, like this. Exactly like this”. In my own professional life, I’ve lead projects that have been stellar. Most are acceptable. A few I never want to remember again! Each one is different. Certainly there are elements and aspects of Invincible I liked. For one, the jokes from Jacen’s childhood felt poignant. Bittersweet. But I believe I have an appreciation of what Mr. Denning is capable of when he puts pen to paper, and this wasn’t it. It wasn't necessarily what he wrote that I have a problem with. It was what was missing that I can't reconcile.
What went so terribly wrong?
I hope the e-book does come to pass. Damage control doesn’t begin to cover the words I would use to describe what this book would need to do. I applaud the efforts you are making here.
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Date Posted: May 21, 2008 09:08 AM
Wait... what? No no, your timeline was correct in regards to Ben's birthday, with Exile taking place about two-thirds through the year, just as Edge of Victory II: Rebirth did in 26 ABY. I was just wondering if the rest of the books caused the finale to spill over into 41 ABY.
Ben's birthday is in the right place, but I think I counted wrong when I backtracked from Ben's birthday to the beginning of the series. I think my starting date is off.
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