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Books, Comics, & Television VIPs - 9952 replies | 664 pages |
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Date Posted: May 20, 2008 04:39 PM
That being said, I feel like I was punched in the gut when I read "We're putting the gap in there so you won't have to read about the angst and grief our main characters experience after Jacen's death, etc. We want them to be able to recover a bit, off camera." After feeling like I was left grasping for straws at the end of Invincible, you're going to pull away any chance we have to see the raw aftermath of the LotF series? You make an interesting point with Chewbacca's death, but let's put things into perspective--Chewie's death was the first major death in an Star Wars EU book. It was totally and completely shocking. The fans were up in arms because you had never done anything like that before. Now that it's been done and we are expecting it, even anticipating it, the fans surely behave differently than when Chewie died.
I really appreciate what you're saying here. Yes, the fans have acted very differently this time around. The thing is, I have heard throughout the Legacy series, from a number of different people, that the series (and the NJO series) was too dark, too distressing. That people read Star Wars to escape reality, not be shoved back into it. The thought at our end was that you all had had enough strife, death, destruction, emotional upheavals to last for quite sometime. What you wanted was escapist fiction -- something that the authors, editors, and I aren't entirely ready to give you -- but felt that reading a book consisting of the characters' heart-wrenching torment of losing yet another child would be too much for an author to write, let alone for us to read. It could be that you core fans, those of you who participate on the boards here, are ready for the entire story, whatever emotions it brings up. I can try to get an ebook or something in between, in those grief-stricken years, if you really need to read about Leia's heart breaking again, or Han busting his knuckles on the side of the Falcon.... But there has to be a story for it to be set in too and people have to carry on somehow. Those of you who have lost a real person close to you know how devastating it can be, and how paralyzing. I don't know if there's a novel there, of people wandering around knowing their entire galaxy will never be the same and trying to figure out where they fit in it.
If the Falcon book is set 2 years after Jacen's death, it would be fair to say that his parents haven't gotten over it yet... they'll still be dealing with their grief in some ways.
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Date Posted: May 20, 2008 04:45 PM
And yes, your comments on Jaina -- I completely agree.
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Date Posted: May 20, 2008 04:46 PM
Maybe it would be good for people to know that there are LotF spoilers throughout this thread.... it's gonna be hard to talk about it without talking about it.
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SliderStar
Total Posts: 2
Member Since: 12/99
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Date Posted: May 20, 2008 06:50 PM
> It came up during one of our story conferences. The
> galaxy needs unity at this time and Daala is the only
> one that all sides will accept. She smart and has
> mellowed with age. It's not that far-fetched an idea
> and makes perfect sense when you look at things from
> the characters' points of view.
and i think this is one of the complaints of the series - that a significant resolution to the series "came up" rather than was planned out from the beginning (unless of course, it came up at the beginning). that the themes and conflicts that initially drew in the reader to the series seemed to disappear rather than come to a pre-planned conclusion, such as the war with the confederation, which wasn't touched on much in the final two books, or lumiya's tassels that were referenced a lot to start with, but less and less as the series moved on.
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SliderStar
Total Posts: 2
Member Since: 12/99
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Date Posted: May 20, 2008 06:57 PM
spoiler...
even a major event like mara's death, though serving a purpose in jacen's transformation, seems to do little in the grand scheme of the series (and the eu at large) if he's to die shortly thereafter, whereas it seems much more could have been done with both characters, in terms of the sacrifice, balance and legacy themes that the series touches on.
and just out of curiosity, do the authors and editors of the series have a consensus of what the legacy of the force is, besides a catchy title  ?
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Date Posted: May 20, 2008 07:12 PM
and i think this is one of the complaints of the series - that a significant resolution to the series "came up" rather than was planned out from the beginning (unless of course, it came up at the beginning). that the themes and conflicts that initially drew in the reader to the series seemed to disappear rather than come to a pre-planned conclusion, such as the war with the confederation, which wasn't touched on much in the final two books, or lumiya's tassels that were referenced a lot to start with, but less and less as the series moved on.
Yeah, "came up" meant "planned out" here -- although I don't remember that we discussed Daala as commander in chief at our first meeting -- it might have been at the second one. [forgive memory malfunction]. The writing process is very fluid and during the evolution of the characters and events, sometimes possibilities arise out of the story itself -- this is a good thing. The way characters are acting/reacting leads to another conclusion than was originally planned. Because of the creative process, we (that's the authors and editors) think it's very important to allow continuing discussions on important story points until we all agree that element is being added/removed/changed builds on the overall story. I feel like I just wrote a possible Mad-Lib.
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Date Posted: May 20, 2008 07:19 PM
such as the war with the confederation, which wasn't touched on much in the final two books, or lumiya's tassels that were referenced a lot to start with, but less and less as the series moved on.
Yes, this is true, the war was a backdrop and I can see where it could have been brought up front a bit more -- which would have allowed for a larger role by Naithal. That would have been cool.
The Tassels: We were aware of that, but couldn't come up with a way to continue the tassel thing throughout without it seeming too contrived.
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Date Posted: May 20, 2008 07:25 PM
even a major event like mara's death, though serving a purpose in jacen's transformation, seems to do little in the grand scheme of the series (and the eu at large) if he's to die shortly thereafter, whereas it seems much more could have been done with both characters, in terms of the sacrifice, balance and legacy themes that the series touches on.
Another good point -- seemed we could have used a few more books after Sacrifice to introduce that more. On the earlier topic, what if the Main Climax wasn't saved for the last book, but happened in the next-to-the last book. The last book then could be the "epilogue" in 390 pages...
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Date Posted: May 20, 2008 07:27 PM
if you say that you'll pass the word onto Luceno and ask him to touch upon the emotional healing that is taking place, I'll put my faith in you as I always have.
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Date Posted: May 20, 2008 07:32 PM
and just out of curiosity, do the authors and editors of the series have a consensus of what the legacy of the force is, besides a catchy title ?
It's a long story and one that involves other people, so I'll have to get their clearance before I type. I'm not one to tell stories at the water cooler.
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AnAkAiNsOlO
Total Posts: 1241
Member Since: 11/04
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Date Posted: May 20, 2008 07:40 PM
> Oh, I'm slightly offended! I admit, I didn't read
> the entire thread from when I had to sign out for a
> bit, so if you have a particular negative comment
> that I missed and you want me to respond to, just
> point it out.
Sorry, it wasn't meant as an attack - even though someone seems to have thought it wise to delete it oddly (free speech is allowed, isn't it?) - I was just pointing out what seemed evident from the posts you'd responded to so far. Sorry again. I haven't even read the book yet, just seems a lot of people are a bit cranky with it.
What I really think has been learnt with this series though is that rotating authors just doesn't work. NJO worked far better when authors were allowed to start and resolve their own plots without having other authors in between trying to stay consistent but maybe not knowing where a particular author was going with an idea.
Solo out
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Date Posted: May 20, 2008 07:46 PM
Sorry, it wasn't meant as an attack -
I didn't read it as one --
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AnAkAiNsOlO
Total Posts: 1241
Member Since: 11/04
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Date Posted: May 20, 2008 07:49 PM
Ok, and again sorry, I realise I came off a bit inapropriately, but understandably a bit of frustration around the board had built up in the absence of you or any VIP, and when you came back I thought you were just going to ignore any negatives. Sorry.
Solo out
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Date Posted: May 20, 2008 07:51 PM
What I really think has been learnt with this series though is that rotating authors just doesn't work. NJO worked far better when authors were allowed to start and resolve their own plots without having other authors in between trying to stay consistent but maybe not knowing where a particular author was going with an idea.
Without rotating, there would be a year between books. That works pretty good for a shorter series, but 9 years to finish a series -- that's asking a lot. There are a lot of things to think about though, about how to do it better. Thanks for your feedback.
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Date Posted: May 20, 2008 07:54 PM
Ok, and again sorry, I realise I came off a bit inapropriately, but understandably a bit of frustration around the board had built up in the absence of you or any VIP, and when you came back I thought you were just going to ignore any negatives. Sorry.
That's all right. Sorry I was gone. Stuff happened.
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