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Books, Comics, & Television VIPs - 9952 replies | 664 pages |
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Date Posted: May 20, 2008 12:50 PM
Readers need to be able to connect with characters, and it's very hard to connect with, say, a father who seemingly loses his only remaining son and does not mourn for him, as Han will seem when we see him next in Millenium Falcon.
I understand your point-of-view. We did see Han's and Leia's struggle, and Jaina's as well, throughout the LotF series once Jacen turned into Caedus. They grieved quite a bit for their lost son in the series. Still, though, I know what you're wanting, and I think Jim will have to include some of what they're still going through.
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monocularman
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Member Since: 10/06
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Date Posted: May 20, 2008 01:45 PM
I would maintain that there is a big difference between Han and Leia's reaction to their son's fall and his death. While Caedus was alive, there was still the chance, however small, that Jacen could somehow be brought back. With him dead, that chance is gone forever, and I imagine that that would have some kind of effect on Han, Leia, and Jaina. Telling yourself that a loved one is dead is very different than him actually being dead.
Still, as long as he isn't completely forgotten, I, and probably many other readers, will be satisfied. Thanks.
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5308856
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Member Since: 10/03
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Date Posted: May 20, 2008 01:49 PM
jacen fan, how do you feel about jacen's fate?
and sue, thank you for the info. we are fortunate that you keep us in the loop. i also have some trouble with characters aging too fast. i mean yeah jaina will be probably what 34 when milinnium falcon comes out. its so fast. it seemed like we had more time with luke, but maybe not. and luke will be at least 61when the falcon comes out? man everyone is getting, old and sometime in the future we are going to need a heavy influx of new charactors to make up for the old gaurd passing, and will we even recognize this universe when that sad day happens?
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DarthMRN
Total Posts: 1848
Member Since: 11/04
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Date Posted: May 20, 2008 02:38 PM
Sue, now that I know you are here I will hazard asking my question again:
Are there any plans for a guide to novel continuity (junor and adult) a la Star Wars: The Comics Companion?
I assume you are the person to ask.
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Jaina SoIo
Total Posts: 164
Member Since: 07/05
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Date Posted: May 20, 2008 03:35 PM
Sue--
Thanks so much for kindly addressing some of my concerns. I wish I could've reacted more positively, but I have a lot of respect for you for addressing the good reviews as well as the bad. It makes me feel like my voice isn't lost in the sea of fans.
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Jaina SoIo
Total Posts: 164
Member Since: 07/05
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Date Posted: May 20, 2008 03:37 PM
That being said, I feel like I was punched in the gut when I read "We're putting the gap in there so you won't have to read about the angst and grief our main characters experience after Jacen's death, etc. We want them to be able to recover a bit, off camera." After feeling like I was left grasping for straws at the end of Invincible, you're going to pull away any chance we have to see the raw aftermath of the LotF series? You make an interesting point with Chewbacca's death, but let's put things into perspective--Chewie's death was the first major death in an Star Wars EU book. It was totally and completely shocking. The fans were up in arms because you had never done anything like that before. Now that it's been done and we are expecting it, even anticipating it, the fans surely behave differently than when Chewie died.
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Jaina SoIo
Total Posts: 164
Member Since: 07/05
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Date Posted: May 20, 2008 03:38 PM
I want nothing more than to follow Jaina as she struggles to pick up the pieces of her shattered life. I would feel cheated if MF picks up a couple of years later only to find out that Jaina has completely recovered from (spoilers)--
--killing her twin brother, her best friend, her closest ally. I hope that that is something that Jaina never completely gets over, and fundamentally changes her as a person. I don't wish to read about Jaina in emotional agony for the rest of her life, but I do want to see this change her the way it would change anyone.
If you say that you'll pass the word onto Luceno and ask him to touch upon the emotional healing that is taking place, I'll put my faith in you as I always have. But please, hear me out, I think you would be making a devastating mistake by not pouncing on the emotional potential the aftermath of Jacen's death would bring.
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Zinnos
Total Posts: 163
Member Since: 09/06
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Date Posted: May 20, 2008 03:59 PM
This message was edited by Zinnos on May 20, 2008 04:03 PM
My thoughts on LOTF: Wonderful and I know many people won't agree with my next statement, but better than NJO. I loved the human emotion in this series- and I connected to it better than any other SW series- especially Inferno.
I have to congratulate everyone that was involved with this series. I loved it.
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Date Posted: May 20, 2008 04:26 PM
Are there any plans for a guide to novel continuity (junor and adult) a la Star Wars: The Comics Companion?
There's been talk around here about this, something I'd sure like to see, but I don't know if there are concrete plans yet.
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Date Posted: May 20, 2008 04:39 PM
That being said, I feel like I was punched in the gut when I read "We're putting the gap in there so you won't have to read about the angst and grief our main characters experience after Jacen's death, etc. We want them to be able to recover a bit, off camera." After feeling like I was left grasping for straws at the end of Invincible, you're going to pull away any chance we have to see the raw aftermath of the LotF series? You make an interesting point with Chewbacca's death, but let's put things into perspective--Chewie's death was the first major death in an Star Wars EU book. It was totally and completely shocking. The fans were up in arms because you had never done anything like that before. Now that it's been done and we are expecting it, even anticipating it, the fans surely behave differently than when Chewie died.
I really appreciate what you're saying here. Yes, the fans have acted very differently this time around. The thing is, I have heard throughout the Legacy series, from a number of different people, that the series (and the NJO series) was too dark, too distressing. That people read Star Wars to escape reality, not be shoved back into it. The thought at our end was that you all had had enough strife, death, destruction, emotional upheavals to last for quite sometime. What you wanted was escapist fiction -- something that the authors, editors, and I aren't entirely ready to give you -- but felt that reading a book consisting of the characters' heart-wrenching torment of losing yet another child would be too much for an author to write, let alone for us to read. It could be that you core fans, those of you who participate on the boards here, are ready for the entire story, whatever emotions it brings up. I can try to get an ebook or something in between, in those grief-stricken years, if you really need to read about Leia's heart breaking again, or Han busting his knuckles on the side of the Falcon.... But there has to be a story for it to be set in too and people have to carry on somehow. Those of you who have lost a real person close to you know how devastating it can be, and how paralyzing. I don't know if there's a novel there, of people wandering around knowing their entire galaxy will never be the same and trying to figure out where they fit in it.
If the Falcon book is set 2 years after Jacen's death, it would be fair to say that his parents haven't gotten over it yet... they'll still be dealing with their grief in some ways.
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Date Posted: May 20, 2008 04:45 PM
And yes, your comments on Jaina -- I completely agree.
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Date Posted: May 20, 2008 04:46 PM
Maybe it would be good for people to know that there are LotF spoilers throughout this thread.... it's gonna be hard to talk about it without talking about it.
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SliderStar
Total Posts: 2
Member Since: 12/99
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Date Posted: May 20, 2008 06:50 PM
> It came up during one of our story conferences. The
> galaxy needs unity at this time and Daala is the only
> one that all sides will accept. She smart and has
> mellowed with age. It's not that far-fetched an idea
> and makes perfect sense when you look at things from
> the characters' points of view.
and i think this is one of the complaints of the series - that a significant resolution to the series "came up" rather than was planned out from the beginning (unless of course, it came up at the beginning). that the themes and conflicts that initially drew in the reader to the series seemed to disappear rather than come to a pre-planned conclusion, such as the war with the confederation, which wasn't touched on much in the final two books, or lumiya's tassels that were referenced a lot to start with, but less and less as the series moved on.
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SliderStar
Total Posts: 2
Member Since: 12/99
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Date Posted: May 20, 2008 06:57 PM
spoiler...
even a major event like mara's death, though serving a purpose in jacen's transformation, seems to do little in the grand scheme of the series (and the eu at large) if he's to die shortly thereafter, whereas it seems much more could have been done with both characters, in terms of the sacrifice, balance and legacy themes that the series touches on.
and just out of curiosity, do the authors and editors of the series have a consensus of what the legacy of the force is, besides a catchy title  ?
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Date Posted: May 20, 2008 07:12 PM
and i think this is one of the complaints of the series - that a significant resolution to the series "came up" rather than was planned out from the beginning (unless of course, it came up at the beginning). that the themes and conflicts that initially drew in the reader to the series seemed to disappear rather than come to a pre-planned conclusion, such as the war with the confederation, which wasn't touched on much in the final two books, or lumiya's tassels that were referenced a lot to start with, but less and less as the series moved on.
Yeah, "came up" meant "planned out" here -- although I don't remember that we discussed Daala as commander in chief at our first meeting -- it might have been at the second one. [forgive memory malfunction]. The writing process is very fluid and during the evolution of the characters and events, sometimes possibilities arise out of the story itself -- this is a good thing. The way characters are acting/reacting leads to another conclusion than was originally planned. Because of the creative process, we (that's the authors and editors) think it's very important to allow continuing discussions on important story points until we all agree that element is being added/removed/changed builds on the overall story. I feel like I just wrote a possible Mad-Lib.
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